|leading church|managing ministry|post-covid church|program driven church|together we lead|transition to disicple making Church Leadership Podcast Episode 139 - Jody Dean on Leading Your Church From Programs to Making Disciples Play Episode Pause Episode Mute/Unmute Episode Rewind 10 Seconds 1x Fast Forward 30 seconds 00:00 / 00:28:30 Subscribe Share RSS Feed Share Link Embed To grab a copy of Jody’s book, Together We Lead, click here.